Velocities ran in the 1,650 to 1,700 fps range. Standard magazine capacity for the Model 1907 was five rounds but 10-round ones were also sold. While a few gun writers in the 1960s criticized the .351 SL for being inadequate as a deer round, and while the round's power has sometimes been compared to a .357 Magnum carbine load, the .351 SL's killing power falls somewhere between the .30-30 and the .35 Remington. The .351 SL proved popular with police and security forces as the only chambering available in the model 1907, and was used by France in both world wars. They certainly are not common today for I tried to buy one myself but rejected paying their going prices of $175 to $200. Four years later Winchester introduced another medium bore cartridge, the .351 Self Loading, designed for the Model 1907 Autoloader. They indeed offered the exact mold I needed: roundnose/flatpoint taking regular .38/.357 gas checks and weighing nominally 175 grains. It was also 100 percent reliable. Pennsylvania Game Commission, State Agency: Please note, again: SL = Self-Loading or Semi-Auto. Iowa Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: 45. It has the standard 20 inch 351 Self Loading barrel. I’d bet the French and law enforcement organizations bought most of the 10-round magazines. Thanks Ken hobtag, Oct 26, 2006. hobtag, Oct 26, 2006. In the beginning, the .35 SL proved popular and well accepted by the shooting public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351 SL in the Winchester '07. (relatively light for the .35 cal.) Since the sights on Model 1907’s consisted of a blade front with open rear, its practical range was about 150 yards. I will pick up a 350 Legend myself someday just for the fun factor To be honest they were two of the most useless cartridges ever developed. They will do anything an AR or AK will do except look ugly. South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks, State Agency: An email to Redding had a set here quickly. Groups with IMR4227 were lousy. They are short, they break down into two pieces, and they have a proven track record all the way from WW I till now. Devoted is a good word to use there because none of those things mentioned were easily obtained. I settled on a charge of 17.0 grains of 5744 as my most accurate. It worked beautifully with the Accurate Molds’ gas check design. The 1905 was unfortunately, chambered for two very under powered cartridges, the 32 and 35 Winchester Self Loading. Groups with IMR4227 were lousy. Take for instance their phobia of “automatics with bullet clips.” They are actually “semi-automatics” or “autoloaders” and they have “magazines for cartridges,” which are not “bullet clips.”, But this fact would shake them to their roots: semi-autos with detachable magazines are old news. I’m an iron sort of guy and that double cavity mold was nothing short of perfection. Every one of the old factory loads split on firing. By Chuck Hawks. They got here quickly, they had the correct shell holder, they were stamped 351 SL. Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. Velocities ran in the 1,650 to 1,700 fps range. Pump Rifle; Winchester Model 1906 22 Pump Rifle Last Year Of Production Property located at 351 Winchester Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. Groups at 100 yards were about 2 to 3 inches for five shots. Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation, State Agency: That presents a conundrum in reference to Winchester’s Model 1907. In 1905 Winchester entered the self-loading market with the launch of the .35 Winchester Self Loading. Groups at 100 yards were about 2 to 3 inches for five shots. The Winchester 351 Self Loading Rifle The model 07 was a progression from the 05 with was chambered for the 32 and 35 Winchester self loading cartridges. 351 WINCHESTER has it right. The French bought thousands of 1907 rifles and millions of rounds of their unique ammunition with which to fight Germans in World War I. These two cartridges proved to be insufficient for deer sized game, even at close ranges. View transaction history, assessments, permits, home value estimates and more. The rim diameter is .407" and the head diameter is .380". Once at proper temperature it dropped two good bullets with each pour. The .35 WSL was an underpowered cartridge and did not meet market expectations. As commercially successful as the Winchester Model 1907 and the .351 Winchester Self-Loading were, Winchester was still not quite satisfied. Lyman Reloading Handbook No. So if you hear some numbskull rattling on about how dangerous these “new automatics” are and how they should be outlawed, just ask them why Winchester Model 1907’s have not been considered “dangerous” for over a century. State Agency: Winchester Model 1894 Special Order Deluxe Saddle Ring Carbine In 25-35 W.C.F. I like the old Winchester Self-Loading rifle action design. Deer Rifle (ser. I have found that for the white tail deer, a Winchester Mod 1907 .351 WSL rifle works wonderfully with plain old iron sights. This fired a .351” 180 grain bullet at 1850fps. Then at least they might understand what it is they fear so much. Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. Item. Duke’s cast bullets gave the best results in his Winchester Model Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, State Agency: The best selection of hunting, self defense, target, shooting, practice, plinking, surplus, jacketed hollow point/JHP, full metal jacket/FMJ, and frangible Winchester ammo - buy 1000 rounds or more. Yet it is most likely if not perfectly provable the vast majority of Winchester Model 1907’s were used for ordinary deer hunting. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case 1.380" long that uses small rifle primers. With the .308 Winchester, you can effectively hunt medium sized and large sized games; like the deer, caribou, elk, and elephants and … Kentucky Department of Fish & Wildlife Resources, State Agency: The Winchester Company introduced the 351 WSL in 1907 for the Model 1907 Self-loading rifle. To be honest they were two of the most useless cartridges ever developed. As a left-hander, Askins liked ambidextrous autoloaders and lever actions for long guns - the .351 Winchester, the Savage Model 99 and the 12 ga. Remington Model 11 autoloader. Shooting deer with a .450 is like swatting flies with a sledgehammer. No luck but at least they had custom made 0.352 inch lube-sizing dies available. Standard magazine capacity for the Model 1907 This 100-yard group is 2-3/4 inches. In my rifle Unique would not give reliable functioning, I had no 2400 and could find none in this component-starved time. consisting of a 181-grain FMJ bullet of unknown make and its loaded round, a Buffalo An email to Redding had a set here quickly. By Mike “DUKE” Venturino Sign-up now to to keep your GUNS Magazine content coming every week — no matter what! Winchester offers rifle ammo, shotgun ammo, and handgun ammo. It was also 100 percent reliable. Bullets came from three sources. Arkansas Game & Fish Commission, State Agency: Finally in the back of Lyman Handbook 45 from the mid-’60’s I found a little data under their section for “Obsolete and Semi-Obsolete Calibers.” Listed were charges for Unique, IMR4227 and 2400. That presents a conundrum in reference to Winchester’s Model 1907. Brands like and Winchester. West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, State Agency: Their maker is unknown to me. This 100-yard group is 2-3/4 inches. While a few gun writers in the 1960s criticized the .351 SL for being inadequate as a deer round, and while the round's power has sometimes been compared to a .357 Magnum carbine load, the .351 SL's killing power falls somewhere between the .30-30 and the .35 Remington. Maine Department of Inland Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: Would like to use an old 1907 Winchester .351 for deer this year, any Idea where I might find some ammo, Let me re-state that "resonably priced" ammo? Alaska Department of Fish & Game, State Agency: I measured several of my cases. My friends at Buffalo Arms over in Idaho offer a full-metal jacketed (FMJ) 0.351-inch diameter bullet weighing 181 grains. At over 8 pounds it weighed about as much as any bolt-action sporting rifle of its era. Only thing I can see might be bullet design, very limited 170 gr round nose soft point, or the 180 gr round nose soft point. Duke’s cast bullets gave the best results in his Winchester Model 1907 .351 WSL. The French bought thousands of 1907 rifles and millions of rounds of their unique ammunition with which to fight Germans in World War I. The cartridge is relatively easy on the shoulder, is available in a fast-cycling rifle, and while ammunition and rifles are definitely limited, owners of the .358 Winchester sing the praises of the cartridge. I’d bet the French and law enforcement organizations bought most of the 10-round magazines. My 25-35 Deer Rifle carbine ser. A firm over in South Dakota formerly known as Jamison and now Caltech actually catalogs properly headstamped and ready to load .351 WSL brass. Likewise, the frame itself had to be sturdy. I've never seen one of these and thought it was interesting. Approximately 20-percent less recoil than a .243 Win. Rim diameter is 0.407 inch and case body ahead of the extractor groove is 0.375 inch. It's quite effective on deer at 100 yards or less. Winchester believed an affordable straight-wall-compliant cartridge—one that is accurate, relatively quiet, and has low recoil—would interest a lot of hunters. That makes the case a bit more than semi-rimmed to me. We tested the .351 in ballistic gel. Accurate Molds Winchester claims the 350 Legend is the world’s fastest straight-walled cartridge and has more energy than the 30-30 Win, 300 Blackout and 223 Rem. Model 1907’s would have been fine deer hunting because the limitations of their iron sights suited the range and power of its cartridge. The 351WSL was more powerful then the 35 WSL, which was not suitable for deer-sized game, and the rifle was discontinued in 1920; however, as with the other WSL cartridges, the 351 was Indiana Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Why bother? Enter To Win A Walther PDP Compact 4" Prize Package! The 07 Winchester was an expensive gun to buy and shoot. Box 315 is a shortened .35 Whelen. 1907 .351 WSL. So if you hear some numbskull rattling on about how dangerous these “new automatics” are and how they should be outlawed, just ask them why Winchester Model 1907’s have not been considered “dangerous” for over a century. But for deer either will do the job and you might want to use whichever bullet weight your rifle shoots better. Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. Mine weighed only 166 grains because they were cast of very hard Linotype alloy. Sell your 351 winchester for FREE today on GunsAmerica! Georgia Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. The ...Click for more info The only viable source of reloading data Duke discovered was in an old Jacketed bullet diameter is .351", not the standard .357"-.358" used by modern .35 caliber cartridges. Nebraska Game & Parks Commission, State Agency: Cartridge overall length is 1.90". I settled on a charge of 17.0 grains of 5744 as my most accurate. Ponderay, ID 83852 We were impressed. The sights are original to this gun. By Mike “DUKE” Venturino, GUNS Magazine Photos: Yvonne Venturino, It is truly a shame gun-haters don’t read firearms periodicals. Speer Hot-Cor Flat Nose Bullets are designed for safe use in firearms with tubular magazines. None of today’s manuals even mention .351 WSL. GunAuction.com Master List. A 170 gr bullet will be better for breaking the shoulder and continuing on into the vitals, but a 150 gr will expand more quickly and cause lots of damage if you hit the lung area behind the shoulder. The serial number 46694, indicates it was manufactured about 1936. It arrives on my desk every January, a magazine with so much information inside it immediately occupies a prime spot in a rack above my cluttered loading bench. It was used to arm many police departments and prison guards, one was there in Louisiana that day flinging bullets at Bonnie and Clyde when they died in their car and several thousand served as “assault rifles.”. What It Is The 350 Legend, part of the Deer Season XP line, is a straight-wall cartridge. Its chambering was referred to as “unique.” The .351 Winchester Self-Loading most certainly was unique. (208) 263-6953 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 9mm, 380 ACP, 38 Special, 357 Mag, and others, in addition to some harder-to-find calibers. The Model 1907 .351 WSL is rather heavy for a carbine at just more than 8 pounds, yet offers decent power out to 100 yards or so. Usable cases can be formed from some others with a mite of work and know-how. Free FedEx Option* $2.45 PPR (0) Winchester Expedition Big Game 6.8 Western Accubond Long Range Winchester’s legendary tradition of innovation continues with the 350 Legend, the fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world. MANUFACTURER Winchester Clear Although most people only called it the “.351,” None of today’s manuals even mention .351 WSL. Rhode Island Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: Typically these rifles have some nicks and scratches to the wood because of the way they were locked with chain. Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries, State Agency: was five rounds but 10-round ones were also sold. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Bids. The seller said they were a special order from Lee. Many .351 Self Loading rifles (Model 1907 Winchester) were made. The .351 WSL actually used 0.351-inch bullets. My Dad owned a 351 Winchester Self Loader and it was one of the first centerfire rifles I ever shot. Then at least they might understand what it is they fear so much. SAAMI gives Winchester’s straight-walled wonder – the .350 Legend – its blessing. The .308 Winchester may not be the end-all, be-all cartridge for deer hunting, but it is a winner and for a majority of people and hunting environments, it just might be the best “compromise” caliber. Best, cheap, bulk Winchester ammo for sale. No luck. Few companys still manufacture the .351 (winchester stopped making it in about 1957) but its any where from $33-$49 depending on who produces it for a box of 20 rounds 3. The sights are original to this gun. Its chambering was referred to as “unique.” The .351 Winchester Self-Loading most certainly was unique. shooting the old factory ammo that came with the rifle. In fact Winchester began introducing them as early as 1905 and in 1907 began cataloging one that stayed on the market for 50 years! Once at proper temperature it dropped two good bullets with each pour. North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission, State Agency: The result was a short, heavy rifle and not a true carbine. Then my brain kicked into gear when it dawned on me that one of my all-time favorite propellants with cast bullets is Accurate’s 5744 and its burning rate is very close to 2400 and IMR4227. Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. This rifle was made in 1941. $1.67 PPR (0) Winchester Ammo XBP12 Super-X Black Powder Load 12 GA 2.75" 25 $ 41.71. My desk dictionary defines a carbine as a short, light rifle. Click here to check out subscription options to GUNS Magazine and get it delivered to your door. A Remington factory .351 WSL softpoint load (left) compared with Duke’s handloads consisting of a 181-grain FMJ bullet of unknown make and its loaded round, a Buffalo Arms 181-grain FMJ bullet and loaded round and Duke’s own 166-grain cast bullet from custom Accurate Mold and loaded round. Please note, again: SL = Self-Loading or Semi-Auto. If President Biden gets his way, there's a good chance the federal government will make AR ownership difficult, if not impossible. Illinois Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: Finally, the last loading item needed was information. Better yet – Click here to check out subscription options to GUNS Magazine and get it delivered to your door. Yet it is most likely if not perfectly provable the vast majority of Winchester Model 1907’s were used for ordinary deer hunting. Many .351 Self Loading rifles (Model 1907 Winchester) were made. With its 20-inch barrel it most certainly is short. Every one of the old factory loads split on firing. New Jersey Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: It worked beautifully with the Accurate Molds’ gas check design. They weren’t accurate enough for serious target or varmint work. Because unlike later semi-autos it did not rely on gas bled away from powder gas to cycle its action. It was used to arm many police departments and prison guards, one was there in Louisiana that day flinging bullets at Bonnie and Clyde when they died in their car and several thousand served as “assault rifles.”. #1151152) with the standard 24" barrel has the bolt peep and is tapped for a side sight. Why? California Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: 8 pounds, yet offers decent power out to 100 yards or so. Built with hunters and sport shooters in mind, 350 Legend is versatile on the range and in the deer woods. The Winchester Company introduced the 351 WSL in 1907 for the Model 1907 Self-loading rifle. A firm over in South Dakota formerly known as Jamison and now Caltech actually catalogs properly headstamped and ready to load .351 WSL brass. Thanks to the GUNS Magazine team for this post. Devoted is a good word to use there because none of those things mentioned were easily obtained. Salt Lake City, UT 84110 www.brassfetcher.com. ... As the ChuckHawks article states the round was marginal at best for deer. P.O. To the best of my knowledge every other American .35 caliber rifle cartridge produced before or since carried 0.357- or 0.358-inch bullets. Wyoming Game & Fish Department, State Agency: Typically these rifles have some nicks and scratches to the wood because of the way they were locked with chain. Model 1907’s would have been fine deer hunting because the limitations of their iron sights suited the range and power of its cartridge. I just bought a 1907 Winchester 351, it has been redone with a brand new from 1955 Winchester 351 barrel , new stock and forestock. It has the standard 20 inch 351 Self Loading barrel. My 30 W.C.F. Only thing I can see might be bullet design, very limited 170 gr round nose soft point, or the 180 gr round nose soft point. Winchester Ammunition manufactures ammo for all shooting activities: hunting ammo, shooting, target ammo, and personal defense ammo. Factory loads keyholed and I couldn t get cast loads to shoot acceptably. They indeed offered the exact mold I needed: roundnose/flatpoint taking regular .38/.357 gas checks and weighing nominally 175 grains. I’d bet the French and law enforcement organizations bought most of the 10-round magazines. Ammo is still available, but expensive as it always was. Number One: Ballistics. On one hand, the SD of Winchester’s 150-gr. Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in close timber." Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, State Agency: Kansas Department of Wildlife, Parks & Tourism, State Agency: I actually did find it listed in a 1927 vintage Lyman Handbook but that did little good because none of the powders mentioned therein still exist. Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, State Agency: Why bother? Winchester introduced the .351 WSL in 1907 for their Model 1907 Autoloading Rifle. Yet it is most likely if not perfectly provable the vast majority of Winchester Model 1907’s were used for ordinary deer hunting. I thought I had some. www.buffaloarms.com I actually did find it listed in a 1927 vintage Lyman Handbook but that did little good because none of the powders mentioned therein still exist. Usable cases can be formed from some others with a mite of work and know-how. Instead it used a direct blowback type of function as with .22 semi-auto rifles and handguns. Winchester autoloaders of the time could not accommodate the higher pressure and back thrust of more powerful cartridges, so the .351 Self-Loading cartridge was designed for the existing Winchester action. I bought a set of Lee .351 Winchester SL dies on ebay for $60 & shipping. Unfortunately they discontinued manufacture in the early 1950s. At over 8 pounds it weighed about as much as any bolt-action sporting rifle of its era. Some of the same weight and FMJ style were also found on an Internet auction site. Winchester Ammunition manufactures ammo for all shooting activities: hunting ammo, shooting, target ammo, and personal defense ammo. New Mexico Department of Game & Fish, State Agency: North Dakota Game & Fish Department, State Agency: Some of the most popular rifle calibers for whitetail deer hunting include: .243, .25-06, .270, .30-30, .300, .308, .30-06, or .7mm.All of these calibers are suitable for hunting whitetail deer. The front sight would blot out most deer at greater distances. 660 Vermeer Court Winchester X300DS DEER 300 150EP 20/10 $ 50.99. The bore is in minty condition. 350 Legend Deer Season XP load comes to only 0.170—which should make it … Missouri Deptartment of Conservation, State Agency: Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks, State Agency: After acquiring a very nice condition Model 1907 along with 38 rounds of old Remington factory loads, I devoted myself to gathering up loading tools, components and load data and then shooting it. Texas Parks & Wildlife Department, State Agency: I lubed up a few fired .351 cases and ran them through the full length sizer. This 351 Winchester Self-Loading ammunition is loaded with a 0.351" diameter Speer Hot-Cor jacketed flat point bullet. Michigan Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: Purchase A PDF Download Of The GUNS Magazine June 2016 Issue Now! Winchester Ammunition manufactures quality, performance rifle ammo for hunting, sport- and recreational shooting. The bore is in … Buy in stock Winchester ammunition online. Nominally they weighed 180 grains, were usually jacketed softpoints and were propelled from the 20-inch barrel of the Model 1907 at about 1,800 fps. Then my brain kicked into gear when it dawned on me that one of my all-time favorite propellants with cast bullets is Accurate’s 5744 and its burning rate is very close to 2400 and IMR4227. The .358 Winchester was not merely a deer/black bear cartridge; it gave the .35 caliber fans a cartridge valid for all North American hunting, including big brown bears. One of the other reasons that it died was the availability of M1 Carbines and surplus ammo. I thought I had some. cases and transforming them into Legends would require three draw steps and some additional forming on a hydraulic press.' I’d bet the French and law enforcement organizations bought most of the 10-round magazines. Take for instance their phobia of “automatics with bullet clips.” They are actually “semi-automatics” or “autoloaders” and they have “magazines for cartridges,” which are not “bullet clips.”, But this fact would shake them to their roots: semi-autos with detachable magazines are old news. I tried to snort to stop her and she did for a moment. It sized the cases exactly as my .38 Special dies do. Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in … Winchester Field Grade Model 1897 12 Gauge Shotgun; Winchester Model 58 22 Single Shot Boy's Rifle; Marlin Arms Co. Model 25 22 Rim Fire Pump Rifle; Marlin Arms Co. Model 29 22 Cal. How the .350 Legend is set up for deer-hunting success: Around 20-percent more penetration than a .243 Win. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 1 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. I read the article by John Taffin, one of my all-time favorite gun writers, regarding the Ruger Bearcat. This is probably a 95% original finish gun, with only a … Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. Note the split cases Duke got by Delivers nearly 15 … That was the hardest to get. Why? I measured several of my cases. Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. The new cartridge was christened the 351 Winchester Self Loading and the rifle was designated the Model 1907. That makes the case a bit more than semi-rimmed to me. of energy at 200 yards, dropping 7.5 inches when using a 100-yard zero. No luck but at least they had custom made 0.352 inch lube-sizing dies available. A Remington factory .351 WSL softpoint load (left) compared with Duke’s handloads Instead it used a direct blowback type of function as with .22 semi-auto rifles and handguns. Standard magazines for the .351 held five rounds but Winchester also offered ones of 10-round capacity. I bought 150 rounds. Next I needed cartridge cases. The Winchester .308 holds a very clear and outright advantage over the .223 Remington when it comes to hunting and competitive shooting. The last buck he dropped with a single shot from his Winchester 351 is still one of the legendary trophies from our family’s decades of hunting across four generations. Yet it is most likely if not perfectly provable the vast majority of Winchester Model 1907’s were used for ordinary deer hunting. No luck. Winchester figured out that using the .223 Remington as the parent case for its new .350 Legend was the way to go, but taking .223 Rem. Delaware Division of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: www.accuratemolds.com, Buffalo Arms Co. The federal prison system was the largest single purchaser in the states and those rifles have found their way into public use. A cold start to the morning hunt and this fine young doe walked out. In fact Winchester began introducing them as early as 1905 and in 1907 began cataloging one that stayed on the market for 50 years! Arms 181-grain FMJ bullet and loaded round and Duke’s own 166-grain cast bullet Nevada Department of Wildlife, State Agency: That’s with the exception of reloading dies. They offer their molds with cavities cut in aluminum, brass and iron. Primitive by modern standards, but dead nuts reliable in function. Since the sights on Model 1907’s consisted of a blade front with open rear, its practical range was about 150 yards. The Winchester 351 Self Loading Rifle The model 07 was a progression from the 05 with was chambered for the 32 and 35 Winchester self loading cartridges. 45. The only viable source of reloading data Duke discovered was in an old Lyman Reloading Handbook No. In my rifle Unique would not give reliable functioning, I had no 2400 and could find none in this component-starved time. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351SL or .351WSL) is an American rifle cartridge.. Winchester introduced the .351SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35SL.The .351SL proved popular with police and security forces as the only chambering available in the model 1907, and was used by France in both World Wars. Likewise, the frame itself had to be sturdy. I also checked Lyman, RCBS and Redding/SAECO mold lists. I noticed the 219 Zipper carbine has no dovetail in the barrel for a rear sight.
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