Show me where he is omnipotent. This thread is so retarded... this GIF will end this. Lol, Yhwach gets one shotted here, he would even get one shotted by Kaguya as well. The stupidity of this question right now, I think I’m legit losing brain cells. If the SK (Ywach) dies. I find it ironic that you just posted a laughing video yet you can't even get the basics of Bach correct. All we know is the runoff from his power was so strong only Aizen could stop it from killing the Shinigami, that he has very high tier reality warping and is omniscient as long as he can see whatever he wants to be omniscient about. Do you remember what happened after he clashed with Bach? Seeing the future doesn't mean he is fast enough to do anything. Can absorb energy from the atmosphere and manifest it. He is literally their God. lol. @batmanwithprep: I would say it's a few on both sides, but still a problem with all their troll spam. To do that, Yhwach needs to see whis moving at MFTL speed. Baryon mode is still limited, but this time Naruto has the Yin-Yang / Sun - Moon seals (Rikudou Chibaku Tensei) to seal her. One of many, many precog/omnicience feats he has. It's too early to say how strong he exactly is. This is already in addition to the fact that Bleach claims are pretty far removed from what characters are actually shown to be capable of. best. hide. High tier reality warping that you still haven't proven. Kaguya Genjutsu's Whis into a realm of Earth food heaven and he never chooses to break out. By Professor Talonsen. Yhwach is only hypersonic with country level durability. They monologue before fighting 99% of the time) . We know Bach has all his "keys" as he just gathered them in the last few chapters. For example say you (human) and Soi Fon (soul reaper) are placed in the outskirts of the soul society her goal is to assassinate you and you know it and all of her abilities and you know what's in the vicinity could you defeat her before she achieves her goal? and even sending him another realm/dimension wouldn't work.Whis shown to be able fly across dimensions. Even if Whis went back in time for those 3 minutes Ywach would already know and would prepare accordingly. What are you on boi? Second Whis can manipulate matter and time and I would like to see a scan that he is onmipotent also how would he even damage Whis, who stopped a planet buster attack with his one hand and we have not seen the full power of whis or whis even being serious. He's poorly written and is so hax it's not even amusing. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki & Whis vs Lucifer Morningstar. Why wouldn't he have access to his own powers at the most powerful he's ever been? Also nigh-omniscient fails when the opponent outclasses you in other stats by a large degree and no prep. You know what's wank? As of now he does and he still requires his army to keep fighters out of his area like with Jugo and Bazz. Planet busting requires context. So physical blows aren't really going to work and ki blasts still fall under the same category, they'll be diverted away from Bach even if Bach for some reason (he's nigh omniscient so there's almost no way Whis is going to get the drop on Bach) is caught off guard. Again doesn't matter, he cannot negate physical force shown with Ichigo making his arm bleed and clashing with him. The team has no chance of winning Whis is way stronger than Beerus. Those were sternritter powers but Yhwach has never demonstrated their use yet. Ywach and Kaguya are non factors snd would get blitzed and one-shotted. Since planet bust isn't allowed, Whis can also just tap the planet and vaporize whichever side the team starts on, not technically a planet bust and he can one shot Beerus later if he's still standing. Lets see him tanking a moon level blast. Yhwach was surprised when Ichibei blitzed him. And even assuming he does have them which is a stretch none of those will be useful against Whis since he is much faster,durable, and stronger and has defeated people that could defeat Yhwach with 1% power. To destroy all of creation and then recreate it you need to be omnipotent. A fully illustrated, wire-bound book with clear instruction for teaching Pilates to people with Parkinson’s. and he's nigh-omniscient at best.Whis can move million times FTL by feats even without his staff (but op restricted speed pff). This ability can be used on a subconscious level. Can mimic other people's powers and appearance. This is me telling you that you're wrong, Ywach is now Bleachvere's God. High tier reality warping -.- he warped a few cities, you honestly comparing that to Whis, how pathetic really. Yet you insult me and fail, clearly he isn't omnipotent your own statements prove that. If you have a friend who's into this sort of thing talk to them about it. Throw a MFTL rock at Yhwach3. Continous ki blast to vaporize all air around Yhwach4. You can tell by reading the speech bubbles. Kaguya also has vast amount of experience. Can render himself virtually invulnerable to any physical attack, Can inflict blind love on people (and thus blind obedience), Continually gets stronger with every kill (friend or foe), Super Human Strength (100 tonner at least). And negating someone on Whis level is not going to happen, In bleach, power can negate hax, shown with Aizen and Soifon. Sort by. Yhwach see all huh.. Aizen welcomes him to see his shikai. Accurate and detailed analysis of energy which allows him to completely incapacitate his foes by exploiting weaknesses in the enemy's energy distruobution within their body. And the fact that you're comparing yourself to a park ranger and telling people to "suck it up" makes it harder to take you seriously; honestly, this condescending attitude you emanate just makes you look like a troll. Who wins and how? Ichigo will find some way of defeating him. I am up to date on Bleach and have seen nothing in the chapters to support what I bolded. @diydeath: You aren't using any factual logic. Once people know what they're talking about I'll stop being so obtuse. The point is what is Whis going to do when Ywach can do whatever he feels like whenever he feels like and is precoging the entire fight? You mistake what this is, this isn't a debate. I'm not convinced. Yeah so is Kaguya too but whis can kill her easily! Toss Yhwach into space, or drown him in an ocean. Are people seriously arguing Yhwach can win ? Irrelavent given that those powers were his and he gave them out of his own free will then recalled them back. Yes, that's a shot of SK's palace-I was showing the place that Yhwach reality warped, not the warping itself. He took the power from the sternritter and gave it to the elite sternritter upon receiving that power they buffed their own abilities and did not use any of the other sternritters powers when he bestowed it to them. What with Beerus and Whis, and it gets even faster if we include the films because Broly could travel inter-stellar distances as an infant. You claim he can see what Whis will do in future, Which is wrong. Yes but it is a necessary frame of reference otherwise Bleach characters could be inferred to take on opponents abstract level which wouldn't be true. It's irresponsible for YOU to come in here, flapping your gums about something you know nothing about and then when someone does know what's going on sets you straight you give them all sorts of lip and continually insist they spoon feed you the latest 5 Bleach chapters. DB fans can dry hump Whis all they want from here on out. He's only omniscient within his line of sight for example. RELATED: Yu Yu Hakusho: 10 Most Powerful Characters, Ranked Meruem is nowhere near the celestial tier these Naruto antagonists occupy, with his most impressive feat being his ridiculous durability. He's also omnipresent, hence the massive reality warping that I really shouldn't need to get a link for. Some of which are pretty hax. I could just as easily claim that Whis is also omnipotent and TOAA of his universe since no one has been demonstrated to be more powerful than he is thus far. Do I really need to teach you about surface area and whatnot? That's also not a link of what was warped. It's a spiritual story where multiple dimensions are dealt with rather than new planets. 47 Votes in Poll. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others 5 Discussions Moro is a powerful wizard who threatened Universe 7 about ten million years ago. Or if you prefer the message in song form: So....in other words...you have zero proof that Yhwach is omnipotent other than fluff statements, and you have no proof that he could beat Whis... More like I don't grab links of events that just happened in the manga. He hadn't activated The Almighty at that point which is what gave him most of his abilities such as nigh omniscience. Whis has a reality warping feat of what? Yhwach is not omni. Don't make me get a Walk of Shame video link for you. No one in Bleach or Naruto has Planet Busting++ DC so unless where making extreme assumptions that Yhwach can divert power from someone of that level it doesn't really stand to reason. Bach decided to not destroy all of creation. Sees almost everything and everything he sees is useless against him. He wasn't omniscient when Aizen delayed him and if he was omnipotent he wouldn't have had so much trouble with Ichibei or need an army. Whis is a lot faster and stronger but Whis isn't pure God mode hax like Bach currently is. Like who would ask such an obvious question? Do I have to teach you definitions? @diydeath: Ok so you have scans of him using a any of the sternritter's ability? © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. If Whis changes strategies Ywach already knows the strategy. I'd use one that works which I'd know because I'm nigh omniscent. For your Soi example, if I was a reality warper and had nigh omniscience Soi wouldn't get close because I'd know what she's doing, where she's going and with my reality warping I could stop her. That+precog=very dangerous combo. As shown with Shenron and Porunga people can resist being warped so long as their power exceeds that of the person being warped. Then you haven't been reading the last arc. ... Kaguya Genjutsu's Whis into a realm of Earth food heaven and he never chooses to break out. This is already in addition to the fact that Bleach claims are pretty far removed from what characters are actually shown to be capable of. I should not have to. and he's nigh-omniscient at best.Whis can move million times FTL by feats even without his staff Yhwach can't even react. (He was unable to use this power during the 9 years of regaining his power because he would have lost control over it and the Sternritter would have lost their powers. This is really just Whis vs Beerus and everyone knows how that will go... at least Kaguya and Yhwach won't die as a side effect of battle because Whis cleans up nicely. This is the problem with Comic Vine, Bleach is either downplayed or overhyped. @diydeath: It is relevant when he never used a single one but tossing that aside for now in my post I said let's assume he does it still wouldn't give him the win or even the ability to be of help here since Whis is exponentially faster, stronger, and skilled to a point where its not even funny. @diydeath: Don't bother with a response, I don't give people the time of day when they're rude. This thread is just Beerus vs Whis, in which case Beerus gets the smack down layed on him. What's the difference between offensive and defensive RW? Your Key metaphor assumes that you used them before otherwise how would we know they work? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You don't understand what nigh omniscience is if you think that. Therefore Bach knows what Whis has done, is doing and is going to do. 43 comments. @diydeath: Show me he uses ''reality warping'' on a person and makes them die. Nappa would fodderize Yhwach. Another problem is his seeing the future, he can only see what's he is fighting against, he literally was surprised to see mimihagi in the soul kings palace. Wonder how Ichigo is gonna kill him. I've had enough, time to ring the bell. Making glass disappear? Yhwach demonstrated power stacking (multiplying base abilities) but not gaining every single power of the sternritter otherwise they would have causally stomped Squad 0 with their other abilities because they were much more haxed than their own. Or that he could even hurt Whis in the slightest? This question is so unfair because any powerful God of Destruction can destroy the universe even when holding back immensely, and should any two GoDs fight, the collateral damage will result in the destruction of their respective universes. The gaps are much too wide for Yhwach or Kaguya to overcome even with their hax. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Or is he just a mysterious character at the moment? (Hes not even full omniscient whis one shots him before he can even blink). You think I like Bach? Please deposit $0.25 to continue. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki is the finalantagonist of the manga and anime series, Naruto. Yhwach's reaction time will not allow him to see what Whis is gonna do to him. Can deflect any attack, ignoring the laws of physics. 2) At the time I'm pretty sure Bach hadn't activated The Almighty. And does he have any feats, any feats at all to prove that he's omnipotent? About his so called ''omniscience'' I found this: The Almighty : When Yhwach activates The Almighty, his irises and pupils split in two. He wasn't omniscient when Aizen delayed him and if he was omnipotent he wouldn't have had so much trouble with Ichibei or need an army. We can then truly settle who would win. Or a brilliant troll attempt. I am surprised this troll thread got to 3 pages. I agree powers like KS, X Axis & Ichimonji are absolute even in other verses, but they can still be out haxed or speed blitzed, making this a mismatch. Do you know what reaction time means? Like TenTen? Ywach as God is relatively featless. @diydeath: once again yhwach is less than Aizen in his prime. The Stats. I'll make sure every poster that comes in here knows that, think of me as the Park Ranger warding people away from bear caves. What does Whis have that puts him on par with someone like that? Bleach characters tend to get massively underrated, some of them have completely broken powers that a lot of more powerful characters wouldn't be able to handle, even from DBZ and comics. That's why he called back all his power and killed 9/10ths of the Sternritter while doing it. And no, no bleach character has planet level or condensed hard enough. Kaguya has an advanced and more powerful version of gentle fist that taijutsu that attack the … I have a feeling you're going to need all the well wishing you can get. Chapter 1: Goku (2015, DBS Super Saiyan God) vs. Naruto (2015, 4th Shinobi War Sage of 6 Paths Mode) I'll start off this little debate with brief examinations of the two characters themselves. Tier: 5-C, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. Lucifer Morningstar Lucifer won't notice. Also nigh-omniscient fails when the opponent outclasses you in other stats by a large degree and no prep. @diydeath: Let me clear some misconception for you about Yhwach's omniscience. Can create flames hot enough to offset the late Yama's flames (big deal, his flames were as hot as the sun and would have destroyed SS if he kept his Bankai released for too long). the guy after his almighty was on needed to clash with Ichigo and Ichigo made his arm bleed, he cannot negate physical force as shown. Porunga had a much better feat than Yhwach concerning warping as he reconstructed a planet and everything on it, yet Frieza Saga Goku was able to resist being warped by him. Next time you should actually read the source material before commenting on Bach wanting to destroy all of creation and then stopping. What you are forgetting is that it was established early on that most people in dbz do have some resistance to reality warping. He also warped a relatively small area: @diydeath: I read bleach and I stopped where you stopped which is last weeks chapter 634 titled friend 4 but bach still hasn't done anything to show he can hurt whis, There's a difference between offensive and defensive reality warping? They talk for plot and that's if they are in character, you are overestimating his power to the point where he is on the level of toaa which he is not. Can control the lethal dose of any substance. This is a complete list of Ywach's powers. File:Celestia vs Whis.jpg; Cell vs Mothra; Centrion vs Palutena; Chakravartin vs. Darkseid; Chakravartin vs. This thread is just a massive failing, no one did their research properly to see what Ywach can actually do. Whis has a set of powers which are fairly limited in scope and versatility, regardless of how good Whis is at using those powers. Ki attacks (putting them all in this category). Whis looks at Yhwach, he dies. Yhwach demonstrated power stacking (multiplying base abilities) but not gaining every single power of the sternritter otherwise they would have causally stomped Squad 0 with their other abilities because they were much more haxed than their own. Vote. Pretty sure Ichigo's country level getsuga will own him at the end, 3. Of course Bach has limits. GG. share. This thread is archived. Whis can back in time but his limit is five minutes. And even assuming he does have them which is a stretch none of those will be useful against Whis since he is much faster,durable, and stronger and has defeated people that could defeat Yhwach with 1% power. ), Looks like it needs to be activated.Whis speedblitz before Yhwach activates his ''Almighty'' :W. @andr413: Was Whis ever shown a limit, that wasn't made up by fans. Yhwach can see anything and everything that occurs in the future; when he knows of a power, it is rendered unable to defeat him. Whis can blast Yhwach into the sun before Yhwach can perform a thought, because as I said, Yhwach's synapse will not fire before Whis does that. Perhaps if you spent half as much time actually researching the subject you want to debate with as you do with trying to convince me to spoon feed you the basics of a character you'd have the knowledge you should have had before you started making comments. He literally absorbed God and became God. I am up to date on Bleach and have seen nothing in the chapters to support what I bolded. @nishi99: Noone is overhyping bleach except few wankers. Literally. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki & Whis vs Lucifer Morningstar#. Goku, Beerus, and Whis at max power vs Naruto, Kaguya, and Sasuke at max power. GG. What is Whis going to do when Ywach places Whis between two colliding suns (which results in the birth of a Black Hole)? You mean beyond the reality warping dimensions? I don't care if you disagree, you're flat out wrong and nothing you say will change that, bar some crazy Whis feats busting omnipotent and omniscient Gods who realty warp dimensions. Along the way, he makes powerful allies and even befriends former enemies such as Piccolo and Vegeta. Aizen was suprised when he 'could' terraform (well it was ichigo). Whis is nowhere near the power level of a legitamate God, even a relatively featless one like Ywach. I'd advise against it for future references. Yeah that means there's more to the sentence. Time travel2. The point is that Yhwach's reality warping showings are extremely limited. It can also be used for attacking as objects and people will be forced out of his way (so if he moves his finger, he can have the enemy rip themselves in half). There's proof, would help if you actually read Bleach though. Whis also can send the time back. @diydeath: Whis can do many things to defeat Yhwach, such as: 1. Anything. Whis never showed his full power and without that he evaded Goku and Vegeta very easily. Don't bring up NLF. Well for starters, Yhwach didn't reality warp any of his opponents into piles of old scrap metal and most likely cannot do that. xD. His Omniscience is limited by his reaction time. Statements are hardly nothing I could say I am God. Whis and Veku. The runoff from him becoming god was so strong it alone nearly killed the surviving Sternritter and Shinigami. Superhero Class. That's a shot of SK's palace before it got wrecked by Ywach and his honor guard. level 1. He is no where near as powerful as you think. I shouldn't have to. I've already listed Whis's powers so I can tell you that he certainly doesn't have any abilities to deal with reality warping+nigh omnicience. Whis can act before Yhwach can see into the future. Or even give me a starting point for the look? Let me explain simple scaling to you. Until then, suck it up buttercup and step up your game. :/, @diydeath: Proof for being omnipotent? Also he won't know about Whis unless hes knows about people from other multiverses. Team Goku (God Fusion) vs Team Isshiki. Massively inferior. That's all for me. PrincessKaguya Ōtsutsuki(大筒木カグヤ,Ōtsutsuki Kaguya) is the mother ofHagoromo ŌtsutsukiandHamura Ōtsutsuki, who consumed thefruitof theShinju and became the progenitor ofchakra, and part of the creation of the Ten-Tails. If he didn't get scared Kenpachi would have probably died. Dilorenzom 2 h 21 m could be possible he used mask's power when he died. Accept that you are silly for suggesting Whis can beat God with zero feats. 60% Upvoted. Country level+ at max, Nappa destroys Yhwach with a ki blast. All of creation dies with him. The power over creation is the territory of God alone in Bleachverse. He never did destroy all of creation did he? His powers wont work on anyone stronger than Prime Ichigo. The extent of Beerus’s power is further made clear when Whis states clearly that Goku and Vegeta’s God-like powers were like a tree when compared to Beerus’ which is as huge as his castle on his planet (sorry saiyan fans but that seems like a pretty huge gap). One side prevents facts and evidence, whilst the other counters and prevents evidence of their own. I also find it pretty hilarious that you somehow believe recent feats from obscure issues count as "baseline" knowledge. He could just will himself to have the same powerset as Whis. He absorbed God and just redefined an entire dimension through will alone. Lets conveniently forget the high tier reality warping. He took the power from the sternritter and gave it to the elite sternritter upon receiving that power they buffed their own abilities and did not use any of the other sternritters powers when he bestowed it to them. It's already active and only needs to be activated once. It fell apart. Sure Chapter 604 also in the current and previous chapters Bazz B is shown to retain his powers after Yhwach took them. Funny, because this was after he activated the almighty and clashed with Ichigo. Please deposit $0.25 to continue. Plus Whis's reality warping feats are massively inferior to Ywach's. I mean I have a dozen keys on my key chain but I certainly don't use all of them because they're the wrong tool for the job. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Your Key metaphor assumes that you used them before otherwise how would we know they work? The only time when we did see Whis fight was with Beerus and there wasn't really a monologue. Whis is a lot faster and stronger but Whis isn't pure God mode hax like Bach currently is. Bach was also not hurt in that clash. The area that he reality warped is quite small compared to the area that Whis can affect just with brute force. Ty. Power is Kenpachi busting his meteor. And no nigh omniscience doesn't beat it. Redefining a dimension is high tier reality warping. Rubbish really, he couldn't even negate Ichigo clash and stopping him from his arm bleeding, you think he can negate every single thing his way is silly, his ability is not NLF thus you fail to notice the difference. The latest Otsutsuki member to have been introduced in Boruto, Isshiki Otsutsuki is said to have been the partner of… Nigh omnipotence means you know the past, present and future within your scope. Those were sternritter powers but Yhwach has never demonstrated their use yet. :p If you want more options I could go over the sternritter powers which are all Ywach's powers. A kid named Son Goku grows up, trains to be a strong fighter and eventually becomes the protector of the Earth along with his descendants: Gohan and Goten. The only question is how fast can you cash it. He then mind controlled ichigo to mortally wound the current SK and after Ichigo had been banished Bach absorbed the dying remains of the SK. Both will have equal amounts of experience as whis trains god destruction from beginning of a universe. Who cares what he think, when he does it, we then talk about it. Lets ignore the term God. With this, he can basically negate ninjutsu based attacks, and even aided him in taking down both Madara and Kaguya. I hate the character. That's just a snapshot of the place, it's not even a good reference of the SK's Palace pre Ywach. @diydeath: Proof for being omnipotent? Please lock, this thread is running around in circles. I find it ironic that you just posted a laughing video yet you can't even get the basics of Bach correct. His power proved to be so great that the Grand Supreme Kai needed to sacrifice his own godly power in order to seal him away. Ywach has plenty of feats. He is not omnipotent you must accept the fact that he is not god. He actually does solo. This thread is just Beerus vs Whis, in which case Beerus gets the smack down layed on him. Omnipotent Yhwach LMFAO oh man this deserve a laughing video. None of these involves Whis directly using his power on Yhwach, so Yhwach's Almighty ability wouldn't prevent any of these from working. Yhwach can't process a thought before Whis blasts him into the sun. Knowing and reacting are a bit different though in Naruto, Sasuke has the Sharingan which gives him precognition but if his body isn't fast enough or durable enough to react he still got hurt which occured on more than one occasion due to the level his opponents were on at the time. But that alone is enough to put Whis in his place. And with that you have proven you do not read Bleach. -.-. Bardock can see the future, and didn't need to see his opponent to do it and he still died, High tier reality warping -.- he warped a few cities, you honestly comparing that to Whis. All the Sternritter powers are literally his powers. Even if he is locked up floating in chair at the moment. Don't bother with a response, I don't give people the time of day when they're rude, wrong and don't even read about the characters they're debating. Toss Yhwach into space, or drown him in an oceanNone of these involves Whis directly using his power on Yhwach, so Yhwach's Almighty ability wouldn't prevent any of these from working. To destroy all of creation and recreate you do not have to be omnipotent that's just common sense dude. You don't what it will be a tie! No BFR / Mugen for Kaguya (or things that prevent proper combat, which is ... kind of the point of a match). For example: Mugetsu was devastatingly powerful but it had next to no area of effect. Carry on, don't let my logic and reason ruin your fanaticism. He and the Z-Warriors fight evil, powerful beings such as Frieza, Cell, Majin Buu and others in order to protect the Earth and even the universe at large. Whis has tanked planet busting Ichibei is no where near that durable so its doubtful that he could do something to someone like Whis. Mismatch in favor of Whis. Have a nice life. To be fair Gremmy died because he was fighting Kenpachi and even then Kenpachi didn't kill Gremmy, Gremmy got scared and tried to mimic Kenpachi's power which was too much for his body to handle and killed him. Case in point, Gremmy's ability should've let him solo the entire cast with a thought, and we all know how that turned out... Yhwach powers also doesn't negate physical force as shown with his clash with Ichigo.
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